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		<title>By: The Deer Dilemma: Is Wild Venison a Sustainable Meat? &#8211; Eat Drink Better</title>
		<link>http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2010/01/27/venison-sustainable-and-delicious/comment-page-2/#comment-100081</link>
		<dc:creator>The Deer Dilemma: Is Wild Venison a Sustainable Meat? &#8211; Eat Drink Better</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Oct 2010 10:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] when I wrote about venison last year, it stirred up some controversy, especially amongst our vegan [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] when I wrote about venison last year, it stirred up some controversy, especially amongst our vegan [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne</title>
		<link>http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2010/01/27/venison-sustainable-and-delicious/comment-page-2/#comment-87382</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sticking to the subject of venison being delicious and not the pointless debate of who the justified predators are, here&#039;s my tasty, easy recipe: 
Put 1 to 2 pounds of ground venison in the crock pot on low with on chopped onion, one chopped green pepper, soy sauce to your liking OR tsp. of salt, pepper, and about 1 cup of water. Cook on low about 4 hours (or until no pink left). Great over rice or bread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sticking to the subject of venison being delicious and not the pointless debate of who the justified predators are, here&#8217;s my tasty, easy recipe:<br />
Put 1 to 2 pounds of ground venison in the crock pot on low with on chopped onion, one chopped green pepper, soy sauce to your liking OR tsp. of salt, pepper, and about 1 cup of water. Cook on low about 4 hours (or until no pink left). Great over rice or bread.</p>
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		<title>By: Best Food and Wine Blogs : Eat. Drink. Better.</title>
		<link>http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2010/01/27/venison-sustainable-and-delicious/comment-page-2/#comment-79969</link>
		<dc:creator>Best Food and Wine Blogs : Eat. Drink. Better.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 10:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Beard Foundation, but I thought it was worth mentioning again. If you&#8217;re into wild foods like venison or morels, this is your site. As an avid forager, I&#8217;m kind of obsessed with [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Beard Foundation, but I thought it was worth mentioning again. If you&#8217;re into wild foods like venison or morels, this is your site. As an avid forager, I&#8217;m kind of obsessed with [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Tovar Cerulli</title>
		<link>http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2010/01/27/venison-sustainable-and-delicious/comment-page-2/#comment-72895</link>
		<dc:creator>Tovar Cerulli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Mar 2010 18:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for this post (and the website as a whole, which I just found). The post strikes a chord here, as I was a vegan for many years, and now hunt.

I look forward to following EDB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for this post (and the website as a whole, which I just found). The post strikes a chord here, as I was a vegan for many years, and now hunt.</p>
<p>I look forward to following EDB.</p>
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		<title>By: cyrell</title>
		<link>http://eatdrinkbetter.com/2010/01/27/venison-sustainable-and-delicious/comment-page-2/#comment-67418</link>
		<dc:creator>cyrell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:25:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do deers show BSE like symptomes?

Right, because hunters are feeding the *wild animals* with mastening feed which also includes animal meals.

Available food is what is controlling the number of prey and also hunter.

If there is not enough food, population shrinks, if deers are feed more fawns are born and grow up.

If predators kill much prey, but there is still enough food, than the remaining animals reprocreate more.

Under pressure, no matter if hunters, wolf or cougars, the prey is stocking up its number the more individuals are killed.

Only if there is not enough food anymore, the number of prey steadily decreases and then the predators also decrease because there is no longer as much food as before.

Best example are isolated island around the UK, south sea and other places.

On these isles animals like horses, goats or wild herbivores are without predatores...but they do not turn the islands into desert or reprocreate until there is no more room on the island.

There is always a steady number of individuals. More reprocreation after a hard winter when more individuals have died and less born youngs when there is a higher number of individuals which have survived.

No predatores...but still a healthy population.

Humans and the feed they give to deer is what is increasing their numbers so drastically.

Because hunters want as much animals as possible to hunt and also strong/big as possible.

The feeding also gives them a reason the continue hunting because *there are just too much deer for the ecco system*..which the hunters/landlords themselves caused.

What happens if hunters do not feed or care for the *animals which are too much* is showen all over history.

Like with the buffaloes, or the wild cattle and horses and elks in europe...if hunters hunt to decrease a number of animals they will do it..until the animal vanishes from existence.

The only reason it does not happen with deer or wild boars is because hunters do not really want to decrease the number of deers, just to feed them to get more deers and hunt them.

To say that hunters are helping the planet with killing the to great numbers of animals is just a joke.

Hunters kill mostly the healthy and strongest animals because..who would want to eat ill animals or have a small trophy on the wall?

Wild predatores are the only ones which can for sure tell which animals are the weakest or ill and hunt and eat these animals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do deers show BSE like symptomes?</p>
<p>Right, because hunters are feeding the *wild animals* with mastening feed which also includes animal meals.</p>
<p>Available food is what is controlling the number of prey and also hunter.</p>
<p>If there is not enough food, population shrinks, if deers are feed more fawns are born and grow up.</p>
<p>If predators kill much prey, but there is still enough food, than the remaining animals reprocreate more.</p>
<p>Under pressure, no matter if hunters, wolf or cougars, the prey is stocking up its number the more individuals are killed.</p>
<p>Only if there is not enough food anymore, the number of prey steadily decreases and then the predators also decrease because there is no longer as much food as before.</p>
<p>Best example are isolated island around the UK, south sea and other places.</p>
<p>On these isles animals like horses, goats or wild herbivores are without predatores&#8230;but they do not turn the islands into desert or reprocreate until there is no more room on the island.</p>
<p>There is always a steady number of individuals. More reprocreation after a hard winter when more individuals have died and less born youngs when there is a higher number of individuals which have survived.</p>
<p>No predatores&#8230;but still a healthy population.</p>
<p>Humans and the feed they give to deer is what is increasing their numbers so drastically.</p>
<p>Because hunters want as much animals as possible to hunt and also strong/big as possible.</p>
<p>The feeding also gives them a reason the continue hunting because *there are just too much deer for the ecco system*..which the hunters/landlords themselves caused.</p>
<p>What happens if hunters do not feed or care for the *animals which are too much* is showen all over history.</p>
<p>Like with the buffaloes, or the wild cattle and horses and elks in europe&#8230;if hunters hunt to decrease a number of animals they will do it..until the animal vanishes from existence.</p>
<p>The only reason it does not happen with deer or wild boars is because hunters do not really want to decrease the number of deers, just to feed them to get more deers and hunt them.</p>
<p>To say that hunters are helping the planet with killing the to great numbers of animals is just a joke.</p>
<p>Hunters kill mostly the healthy and strongest animals because..who would want to eat ill animals or have a small trophy on the wall?</p>
<p>Wild predatores are the only ones which can for sure tell which animals are the weakest or ill and hunt and eat these animals.</p>
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		<title>By: L. Hernandez</title>
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		<dc:creator>L. Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 13:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My husband and I are the beneficiaries of a friend who hunts. NY State has a program that allows hunters to donate venison to foodbanks. The hunter fills out some minuscule paperwork at the deer processor who butchers the meat and freezes it for pickup by a charitable institution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My husband and I are the beneficiaries of a friend who hunts. NY State has a program that allows hunters to donate venison to foodbanks. The hunter fills out some minuscule paperwork at the deer processor who butchers the meat and freezes it for pickup by a charitable institution.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:30:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry to reply to my own post, but I meant CWD (chronic wasting disease) not BSE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to reply to my own post, but I meant CWD (chronic wasting disease) not BSE.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 04:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know about Missouri, but deer in many parts of the country can have BSE aka &quot;mad cow&quot; disease.  The same goes for elk.  Lots of formerly avid hunters in Colorado now will avoid eating it due to their worries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about Missouri, but deer in many parts of the country can have BSE aka &#8220;mad cow&#8221; disease.  The same goes for elk.  Lots of formerly avid hunters in Colorado now will avoid eating it due to their worries.</p>
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		<title>By: Evz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was just talking about this debate on another site; someone had written an article saying basically that hunters were the salvation of the environment...

I don&#039;t necessarily have a problem with hunting per se, if you&#039;re a carnivore who&#039;s doing that INSTEAD of getting meat from corporate agriculture -- it&#039;s way more sustainable &amp; more ethical than our current system of CAFO-driven animal agriculture.

But: overpopulation among prey animals is caused by hunter annihilation of predator animals. Anyone following the wolf massacres in Idaho? One reason given by the governor for the unprecedentedly long season for wolf-hunting (right into birthing time, when females w/ pups can be killed, no problem, when wolves only came of the Endangered list about 5 minutes ago) is &#039;to protect sport hunting prey-animal populations.&#039; For hunters to systematically kill off the wolves and cougars, and then claim to be doing us a favor by controlling the deer population... that is some pretty weak logic, it seems to me.

Also: when animals overpopulate, and many die b/c the environment can&#039;t support them, the heaviest toll is taken on those who reproduce -- b/c the nutritional demands are greater for gestating animals, they&#039;ll be harder-pressed to survive lean times. Then there will be less young born the following year, and the overpopulation will gradually be curbed. Shooting males doesn&#039;t limit birth; if the goal (as stated) is population control... um, maybe some more &#039;thinking-through&#039; is in order?

If someone&#039;s gonna choose to eat meat, I&#039;d say definitely hunt rather than buy from factory farms that pollute land &amp; water for miles around, contaminate surrounding crops with e. coli &amp; salmonella, use a RIDICULOUS amount of water resources, contribute to antibiotic resistant bacteria, and produce hormone-laden ammonia-soaked beef... definitely, hunting is better than *that*. But at the same time, a lot of the justifications for sport hunting seem to involve some pretty twisted logic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was just talking about this debate on another site; someone had written an article saying basically that hunters were the salvation of the environment&#8230;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t necessarily have a problem with hunting per se, if you&#8217;re a carnivore who&#8217;s doing that INSTEAD of getting meat from corporate agriculture &#8212; it&#8217;s way more sustainable &amp; more ethical than our current system of CAFO-driven animal agriculture.</p>
<p>But: overpopulation among prey animals is caused by hunter annihilation of predator animals. Anyone following the wolf massacres in Idaho? One reason given by the governor for the unprecedentedly long season for wolf-hunting (right into birthing time, when females w/ pups can be killed, no problem, when wolves only came of the Endangered list about 5 minutes ago) is &#8216;to protect sport hunting prey-animal populations.&#8217; For hunters to systematically kill off the wolves and cougars, and then claim to be doing us a favor by controlling the deer population&#8230; that is some pretty weak logic, it seems to me.</p>
<p>Also: when animals overpopulate, and many die b/c the environment can&#8217;t support them, the heaviest toll is taken on those who reproduce &#8212; b/c the nutritional demands are greater for gestating animals, they&#8217;ll be harder-pressed to survive lean times. Then there will be less young born the following year, and the overpopulation will gradually be curbed. Shooting males doesn&#8217;t limit birth; if the goal (as stated) is population control&#8230; um, maybe some more &#8216;thinking-through&#8217; is in order?</p>
<p>If someone&#8217;s gonna choose to eat meat, I&#8217;d say definitely hunt rather than buy from factory farms that pollute land &amp; water for miles around, contaminate surrounding crops with e. coli &amp; salmonella, use a RIDICULOUS amount of water resources, contribute to antibiotic resistant bacteria, and produce hormone-laden ammonia-soaked beef&#8230; definitely, hunting is better than *that*. But at the same time, a lot of the justifications for sport hunting seem to involve some pretty twisted logic.</p>
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		<title>By: Jessica L Caneal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jessica L Caneal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 15:43:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to above: It is NOT deer who are overpopulated, it is humans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to above: It is NOT deer who are overpopulated, it is humans.</p>
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